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March 23, 2018, 06:05:36 PM
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I have this topic created with an intention to find out merit abusers and according to the forum rule tag them with a red trust.

Obviously I am being targeted by the users I am tagging with red trust despite being them proven guilty. One of them sent me Red Trust for denying to remove his/her Red Trust. The same user is trying to humiliate me with whatever s/he can in PM or even in public. I am sure more like this are my way soon.

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Some important lessons for me...
1. I am not a DT, not a staff or moderator or even a highest rank member. I am just a regular user on the forum with my only one account that am risking.
2. Since I am a low ranked member no one will believe me with these red trust that these are because of others revenging behaviour. They will think I am an un-trusted  member.
3. I see most of the users are ignoring (not tagging) these merit abusers even after seeing the proves on my thread against them. I understand they are trying to avoid being targeted.
4. Dealing with a lot of PMs and abusive behaviours is really stressful.

So, to avoid red trust on my account from the merit abusers those I have tagged and will be tagging in future also from some moral perspective (e.i 1, e.i 2) I have end up with this decision that I will remove your Red Trust as merit abuser if you accept following six (6) conditions1 in two part.

Part one: Post on the comment section of this threa
1. YOUR USERNAME <= Do not remove the glow and large font code
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes/No
3. You apology in public on this tread: Your apology content has to be at-least 120 character long.
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes/No

Once you done posting the comment then do the following...

Part two:
5. You will send a neutral trust for me referencing the link of your apology post.
6. On the neutral trust you will write: "I am leaving this neutral to keep a record of my merit abusing so that in future if I do the same abusive behaviour and receive red trust from mdayonliner then I will not complain again."

Now edit the same apology post and mention "Done with 5 and 6"

A sample of an apology post
Code:
1. [glow=red,2,300][b][size=15pt]YOUR USERNAME[/size][/b][/glow]
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes
3. You apology in public on this tread: [b]"The minimum 120 character apology content" [/b]
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes

Edit:
Done with 5 and 6

Once I verify you done everything correctly then I will give you a neutral trust for having a log for me on the my trust page for you so that I can review your profile in future whenever I want and finally I will remove your red trust to give you a second chance.  

1 Lucky you. If I were a DT or staff or even high ranked member then I would never give you this second chance. I need to save my own ass.

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March 23, 2018, 06:17:44 PM
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I don't think that being a low rank has anything to do with the red trust given not being legit even tho if  the red trust has legit reasons to be given. So even if they give you negative trust, it will not be displayed if it's not legit or it may be rewritten.

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March 23, 2018, 06:24:18 PM
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Can you not have done this on the other thread. Seriously, you've opened like 3 threads on the same issue now.

The thing you call "abuse" also isn't really abuse. With being online, your anonymity gives you power you wouldn't normally have you can say stuff online you usually don't and this is why most scams happen online as people are anonymous entirely.

And now you're just giving into what he's saying. You could change the trust to neutral or come to some other compromise. Though I'm not entirely sure why sparkyu and you and caused this much of a fuss just over a bit of red trust from a fairly new member, it shouldn't harm him that much as you're not on DT.

That being it said, at least making it a neutral rating is probably a good option.

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March 23, 2018, 06:25:28 PM
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1. Kousei23
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes
3. You apology in public on this tread: "I asked for an apology for asking my friends to merit me because I don't know actually the rules of merit. And now that I have been read all about the merit system I will promise not to do that again. And always aware of the merit and the consequence that I may face" /b]
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes

Edit:
Done with 5 and 6

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March 23, 2018, 07:11:07 PM
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Trust (positive or negative) from non-DT members does not matter. You are attaching too much importance to your feedback as well as these merit-abusers, who leave you negative feedback.

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Trust (positive or negative) from non-DT members does not matter. You are attaching too much importance to your feedback as well as these merit-abusers, who leave you negative feedback.

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March 23, 2018, 08:48:30 PM
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I don't think that being a low rank has anything to do with the red trust given not being legit even tho if  the red trust has legit reasons to be given.
I know, it's annoying to involve in fight plus I need to save my ass.

Can you not have done this on the other thread. Seriously, you've opened like 3 threads on the same issue now.
No I can not, i'm afraid. All this threads has their own purpose and will be continued (e.i: this one is for keeping log of red trust removal request etc). Separating them helps me to keep a log.

That being it said, at least making it a neutral rating is probably a good option.
The rule says to give red trust. Hope you understand

Great job Kousei23. I removed the red trust and left a neutral trust. Remember not doing it again.

You are attaching too much importance to your feedback as well as these merit-abusers, who leave you negative feedback.
- Again I am just trying to save my ass. It looks bad seeing red trust on a profile besides dome day these people might be DT members then obviously their red trust will be visible to everyone. So, I am trying to minimise my risk.


Watch the thread play out, pretty sure OP has the right idea here
- Thank you, yes I do.

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March 25, 2018, 12:12:53 PM
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1. gamerferfect
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes
3. You apology in public on this tread: "as far as I know. I have a merit exchange with the kazoubg1 account. That means I violate the community rules. I sincerely apologize for that, I was led by kazoubg1 to this forum. I know a lot of good things, but unfortunately I have not thoroughly investigated the principle of the forum. I will re-read the provisions of sMERIT as well as TRUST rules to comply with the rules given. love."
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes

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March 25, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
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1. gamerferfect
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes
3. You apology in public on this tread: "as far as I know. I have a merit exchange with the kazoubg1 account. That means I violate the community rules. I sincerely apologize for that, I was led by kazoubg1 to this forum. I know a lot of good things, but unfortunately I have not thoroughly investigated the principle of the forum. I will re-read the provisions of sMERIT as well as TRUST rules to comply with the rules given. love."
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes

Good job. I will be removing the redtrust after posting this. However you have not done 5 and 6 yet.

Edit:
Done. Make sure from now on you are more careful and loyal to the forum.

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1. Kousei23
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes
3. You apology in public on this tread: "I asked for an apology for asking my friends to merit me because I don't know actually the rules of merit. And now that I have been read all about the merit system I will promise not to do that again. And always aware of the merit and the consequence that I may face" /b]
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes

Edit:
Done with 5 and 6
Quoted.

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Why was I judged? Me and my dear friend do something wrong. You just need to be patient and I will do it. I want to receive my purity again.
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I got the above PM on the same day but a few hours earlier than this, apparently:
1. gamerferfect
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes
3. You apology in public on this tread: "as far as I know. I have a merit exchange with the kazoubg1 account. That means I violate the community rules. I sincerely apologize for that, I was led by kazoubg1 to this forum. I know a lot of good things, but unfortunately I have not thoroughly investigated the principle of the forum. I will re-read the provisions of sMERIT as well as TRUST rules to comply with the rules given. love."
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes
It's amazing how much of a mix of stupidity and balls these morons have.  Makes me wonder if truth is a foreign concept in those campaign farms, where 139 relatives and friends all live in the same house and all use the same ETH address and are ALL in the same campaign.  

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It's amazing how much of a mix of stupidity and balls these morons have.  Makes me wonder if truth is a foreign concept in those campaign farms, where 139 relatives and friends all live in the same house and all use the same ETH address and are ALL in the same campaign.  

-It really is a joke (the excuses they make) however my options are limited. So I am settling them removing the red trust with neutral trust (keeping the log of abusing).

Pharmacist, look at my history in the forum, only a member, not a DT or never had any backup from any DT or high up member (may be some day I will but that's another story). Why would these abusers behave me back with extra caution?  Even-though proves of their merit abusing is in the red trust I am giving them, they are not caring to bounce back to me with their red trust.

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Someone with a big ego trying to bully others on his power trip. Forum is better off without him.
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Jumps on the bandwagon of KeithBeeCham's witch hunt. Marks you in your trust section as guilty untill proven innocent and demands even proof. Uses the trust section as a bully for his power trip. Might even be the alt of "scam_detector" KeithBeeCham since both are behaving the exact same way.
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The user always carries his ignorance of evaluating others.


I am risking my only single account for the sake of being dutiful to the forum. I realised if another person step up (I did) to stop these abusers then this will add a little help to those who are also fighting against these abusers.

I get it that, if someone looks on my trust history thoroughly they will discover that all the red trusts I received are non-sense, abusive from those user I left red trust. But, still... I find myself insecure. People do not have much time to look on my history thoroughly. At a glace they will see all the red trusts that I have. Then they will move to the next page without thinking twice.

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If I were a DT or staff or even high ranked member then I would never give you this second chance. I need to save my own ass.

But you are not a DT or staff member. So it really doesn't make any sense at all to do all this. Not others you have tagged nor you being tagged by them will get affected by exchanging negative feedback between each other as they don't really count. There are hundreds of people with a good reputation in the forum but carrying tons of negative feedbacks in their profile left by immoral users of our community, but that doesn't affect their reputation because even the dumbest person can know those feedbacks make no sense.
So, other than the fact of users accepting their mistakes, this thread has no sense to me. And also the users that are accepting their mistakes in here are tagged because they are guilty and anyone would know that just by checking their trust page.
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If I were a DT or staff or even high ranked member then I would never give you this second chance. I need to save my own ass.

But you are not a DT or staff member. So it really doesn't make any sense at all to do all this. Not others you have tagged nor you being tagged by them will get affected by exchanging negative feedback between each other as they don't really count. There are hundreds of people with a good reputation in the forum but carrying tons of negative feedbacks in their profile left by immoral users of our community, but that doesn't affect their reputation because even the dumbest person can know those feedbacks make no sense.
So, other than the fact of users accepting their mistakes, this thread has no sense to me. And also the users that are accepting their mistakes in here are tagged because they are guilty and anyone would know that just by checking their trust page.

I was a victim of a DT member today. Now it really counts when a DT member leave a RedTag for me. Anyway the upon exchanging few words with the DT and his satisfactory answer I removed my redTrust replacing a neutral trust and he removed the redTrust left for me.

My goal is to remind these merit abusers so that they do not do the mistakes 2nd time.

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Where is your badge officer? what is a merit abuse? who gave you the authority to decide everything on your own?

First define merit abuse. what kind of merit transaction is considered as abuse and base on what, your own opinion?

A garbage poster is receiving and sending merits to only 1 account of another garbage poster?

Define a garbage post. what is considered a garbage post and base on what, your own opinion?

Merit abuse and garbage post must be defined by the majority, if you are a DT1-2 member, the majority of DT1-2 members should come to agreement on defining a merit abuse and a garbage post for tagging forum members.
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Does this resolve the confusion?
 

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I would like to ask what makes me a big hypocrate?


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I would also like to declare that me (35) and my brother (22) do not live together under one roof (!). We both live FAR away from each others in two difference cities. I would like to see the bunches of solid proofs (if still concern) you are talking about in public. I won't mind however I do not know if my brother has a problem with it. I am pretty sure he will have a heart attack once he see the redTrust LOL. Other day I told him to improve his post quality after actmyname left him a neutral trust.

Anyway let me know if that's enough for you or not. Also make sure to explain me the big hypocrate thing.

Thank you.

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I don't need to post proofs because you confirmed them.
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Does this resolve the confusion?
 

I am not sure why are you asking questions and trying to make conversation in trust.
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No, they were not. They were abusing system from the start.
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2. When merit system were introduced my younger brother sent 4 merits to my account to try how the new merit system works. (If someone consider this as merit abuse then IMO the justification will be wrong. It was a mistake but an innocent one. When merit system introduced on 25th Jan 2018, first few days were confusing for everyone. A major number of members were testing the merit system by sending it to each others.
All these accounts which you are bashing because of merit abuse and your brother has sent you all his merits just to test how this system works.. Roll Eyes
If you trust your brother(of course you do, it is your brother) why don't you trust people who sent merit to their family/friends/etc? Don't you think you should give -ve to your brother for merit abuse as well?

Don't worry, I removed my -ve(it is untrusted anyways so it won't affect you nor your brother in any way).

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April 30, 2018, 02:16:24 PM
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I am not sure why are you asking questions and trying to make conversation in trust.
Because the default answer of that question is: I will be a victim without doing anything and the community should consider me not guilty. It's an answer from common sense. So, it does not matter asking there or anywhere.

Furthermore , I do not want anyone do the same mistake out of confusion like you did and don't accuse me saying that I am a big hypocrate. My trust page is red painted (LOL) but I don't bother coz I know those red trusts are from non-DT. Also, those are out of angry mouth with no legit accusation. Anyone with a little sense can easily notice that I am not guilty for those redTrust. But your one was not the same.


No, they were not. They were abusing system from the start.
Those with bad intention they kept doing their continuous abusing but if you see my brothers one then it's not the same case. Don't you think I could send him some back if I had the bad intention where I see he did not earn any single merit. Instead of doing that, I advised him to improve his post quality a few days ago.

All these accounts which you are bashing because of merit abuse and your brother has sent you all his merits just to test how this system works.. Roll Eyes
If you see the individuals' merit history those I have listed on the merit abusers list, then you will notice I did try considering the early merit sending confusion period. I try not accusing them out of the thin air with not enough evidence (few I might miss, hey I am a human after all, sometimes these networks are too deep). I always leave reference so that my justification can be proved. My goal is not bashing people, my goal is to warn them. They are open to ask me for the removal of my redTrust and in that case I need to keep a log for me plus other members (possibly DT) that they have been warned earlier. IMO there are no other best place for the log but their own trust page with a neutral trust.

If you trust your brother(of course you do, it is your brother) why don't you trust people who sent merit to their family/friends/etc? Don't you think you should give -ve to your brother for merit abuse as well?
Trusting family/friends/etc and exchanging merits with each others are totally different, aren't it? Merit is not here for exchanging just because you know the people well, it's here to identify good posts and award it to that good posts. I knew my brother's intention so, why would I neg trust him. If his intention was bad then I would do the same like I did for all the abusers. I would redTrust him. Then I would replace the red with a neutral one to keep the log of the warning after he admit his abusing (I understand for you, it's hard to believe. I wish you knew me personally. I am man of my strong ethics). He saw a new feature and tried it out to see how it works. I am lucky that I did not send him the two sMerits back that I earned from his 4 merits or today I would had to leave the forum with great shame.

Don't worry, I removed my -ve(it is untrusted anyways so it won't affect you nor your brother in any way).
I was worried about my reputation not for the redTrust. Anyway well done.  

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May 10, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
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Hello Well i have not holding these accounts, these are the persons whom i refereed to the forum for working, some of them are my friends and relatives as well. how can i prove that these are other persons not me? I just helped them only. If it is mistake then accept my sorry. I think that forum authorities should consider profile verification by asking them national id card same as like we do KYC in ICO's. I will not repeat same mistake. kindly give me a chance.
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May 10, 2018, 03:49:24 PM
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I think that forum authorities should consider profile verification by asking them national id card same as like we do KYC in ICO's. tell me how
No.  Bitcoiners generally are against KYC regulations, and instituting them so that some shitposters can have their whole family involved in bounties is a ridiculous idea. 

I don't think you're going to garner much sympathy to your cause here, since people who cheat bounties aren't respected.  There are so many cheaters that once you're caught, you're tagged and nobody has the patience to look at whatever garbage proof you think will convince people that a multi-account ring represents distinct individuals.  Most members here would be grateful if you all left and never came back.

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May 10, 2018, 03:55:19 PM
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I think that forum authorities should consider profile verification by asking them national id card same as like we do KYC in ICO's. tell me how
No.  Bitcoiners generally are against KYC regulations, and instituting them so that some shitposters can have their whole family involved in bounties is a ridiculous idea. 

I don't think you're going to garner much sympathy to your cause here, since people who cheat bounties aren't respected.  There are so many cheaters that once you're caught, you're tagged and nobody has the patience to look at whatever garbage proof you think will convince people that a multi-account ring represents distinct individuals.  Most members here would be grateful if you all left and never came back.

How most members would be grateful if multi account holders left? Is they posting any shit or posting medicines formula's Mr. The Pharmacist?? if any multi account hold is working by following all the rules and working fairly then whats wrong? and why there is btc fee for removing proxy ban? If this is not legal here then why forum authorities are allowing them to register here?
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